I tried Darkbasic a week Gex, and did a demo. I could make a 3D world with few instructions. About C++ for stuffs I like, I need inline assembler. (Loops > 4000). I started 4 monh ago assembler with an Atari St emulator (devpack+Monst owning to the nice tutos I found) I\'m fan of prehistoric coding ;p (before 3D acceleration) like making your own routines such line or filler with dots.